>>> IN UKRAINE, THE DEATH TOLL IS RISING NOW IN WHAT HAS BEME ONE OF THE DEADLIEST SINGLE ATTACKS OF THIS ENTIRE WAR. AT LEAST 40 PEOPLE WERE KILLED WHEN A RUSSIAN MISSILE JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THIS VIDEO, IT JUST OBLITERATED HUGE PORTIONS OF AN APARTMENT COMPLEX IN DNIPRO.
AND DOZENS OF PEOPLE ARE STILL MISSING RIGHT NOW. FRED PLEITGEN JOINS US AT THIS HOUR. WHAT IS GOING ON THERE RIGHT NOW? >> Reporter: HI THERE, KATE. AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, THE MAGNITUDE OF DESTRUCTION IS.
INCREDIBLE. I'LL GET OUT OF THE WAY SO YOU COULD SEE WHAT WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW WHICH IS FIRST OF ALL THIS GAPING HOLE, A LARGE PART OF THE BUILDING USED TO BE. BUT YOU COULD SEE HOW THE RESCUE AND RECOVERY EFFORTS AND THE CLEAN-UP EFFORT ARE STILL GOING.
ON. AND OFFICIALLY THE UKRAINIANS SAY THIS IS A SEARCH AND RESCUE EFFORT BY THE CHANCES OF FINDING ANYBODY ALIVE IN WHAT YOU SEE THERE IN FRONT OF YOU, REALLY IS DWINDLING AND GOING TOWARDS ZERO. AND THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO.
WERE KILLED IN THIS INCIDENT, THEY HAVE CONTINUED TO RISE THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE DAY. RIGHT NOW WE DO STAND AT 40 KILLED. THE RUSSIANS HAVE COME OUT AND CLAIMED THAT THEY WERE NOT BEHIND THIS STRIKE.
THEY SAY THIS WAS A STRAY UKRAINIAN ANTI-AIR MISSILE THAT HIT THE BUILDING AND THE UKRAINIANS NOT HAVING ANY OF THAT. THEY SAY THAT THEY TRACKED THE MISSILE FIRED BY THE RUSSIANS FROM THE SEE OF AZOF TO HERE WHERE IT IMPACTED AND IT IS A.
KH-22 CRUISE MISSILE WHICH IS A MISSILE THAT IS NORMALLY USED, THAT IS IT DESIGNED TO DESTROY AIRCRAFT CARRIERS. THAT IS WHAT THE MISSILE THAT THEY SAY HIT THIS BUILDING AND WHEN A MISSILE LIKE THAT HITS THE BUILDING LIKE THIS, YOU HAVE THE DESTRUCTION THAT YOU SEE.
BEFORE YOUR VERY EYES RIGHT NOW. AND I COULD TELL YOU BEING ON THE GROUND HERE, SEEING SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE FROM THIS AREA, SEEING SOME OF THE RELATIVES, THERE IS ABSOLUTE GRIEF AND ANGER HERE ON THE GROUND FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE. OBVIOUSLY MANY PEOPLE CURSING.
THE RUSSIANS AFTER THIS INCIDENT. BUT CERTAINLY THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE SPEAKING TO ALSO SAYING THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE BROUGHT DOWN BY WHAT HAPPENED HERE JUST A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, KATE. >> THE RESOLVE STILL. TO CONTINUE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE'LL CONTINUE TO WATCH AS THIS IS STILL A SEARCH AND RESCUE EFFORT. JOINING ME NOW IS LIEUTENANT GENERAL MART HERTLING. WHAT DO YOU SEE IN THIS DEVASTATING ATTACK ON THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX.
>> WELL LET'S FIRST TALK ABOUT WHETHER THIS IS A RUSSIAN MISSILE OR AN AIR DEFENSE MISSILE. IT IS THE FORMER, NOT THE LATTER. IT DOESN'T TAKE AN EXPERT TO DETERMINE THAT THAT WAS LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF POUNDS OF.
EXPLOSIVES IN A MISSLE THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THAT BUILDING FALLING. AND AN AIR DEFENSE MISSILE DOES NOT HAVE THAT. SO IT IS ANOTHER INSTANCE OF RUSSIA JUST FLAT OUT LYING. NOW, I WON'T GET TOO GEEKY ON AIR.
BUT THIS IS AN ISSUE OF A STRATEGY OF ATTRITION ON RUSSIA'S APPROACH. IN WARFARE THERE IS STRATEGIES OF ATTRITION WHERE YOU TRY TO EXHAUST THE ENEMY AND WEAR THEM DOWN AND BRING DIFFERENT THINGS TO BEAR. ANNIHILATION IS WHERE YOU TRY.
AND OUTMANEUVER THE ENEMY, GET THEM IN A POSITION WHERE YOU COULD ATTACK THEM AND FORCE A DECISION ON THE PART OF OTHER GOVERNMENT TO SURRENDER. BUT THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS RUSSIA IS USING A STRATEGY OF ATTRITION NOT AGAINST THE UKRAINE MILITARY FORCE, BUT.
AGAINST THE CIVILIAN FORCE. AND IN AN ATTEMPT TO MAKE PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY HAVE A LACK OF WILL TO CONTINUE THIS FIGHT. IT IS NOT WORKING, AS YOU JUST SAID. THERE IS MORE RESILIENCE NOW IN UKRAINE THAN THERE HAS EVER BEEN.
BUT THIS IS GOING TO CONTINUE. >> YOU KNOW, IT IS INTERESTING, GENERAL, BECAUSE THE FORMER DEFENSE SECRETARY MARK ESPER WAS ON THIS MORNING AND HE SPOKE ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT THIS SAYS ABOUT THE WAR AND TALKED ABOUT THE WAR THAT — I BELIEVE THE WORD THAT HE USED,.
BEING IN A STALE MMATE RIGHT NO. AND HOW DOES UKRAINE BREAK OUT THIS, THIS STALEMATE MOMENT. WHAT CAN BE DONE AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE? >> WELL I DON'T AGREE WITH SECRETARY ESPER ON THAT. I DON'T THINK WE'RE IN A STALEMATE.
THERE ARE STRUGGLES GO ON IN KHERSON AND IN THE DONBAS AND IT IS A DIFFERENCE IN APPROACH BETWEEN RUSSIA TRYING TO EFFECT THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE WHILE UKRAINE'S ARMY IS TRYING TO EFFECT THE RUSSIAN ARMY AND GET THEM OUT OF THE COUNTRY. THAT IS A STRATEGY OF ATTRITION.
FORCED DECISIONS BECAUSE YOU ARE DEFEATING THE SECURITY FORCE OF THE ENEMY. SO THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT A STALEMATE. BUT WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY, A COUPLE OF THINGS. RUSSIA HAS TO RUN OUT OF.
AMMUNITION WHICH I DON'T SEE HAPPENING ANY TIME SOON. THERE ARE CERTAINLY INDICATORS THAT THEY HAVE LESS AND LESS BALLISTIC MISSILES TO FIRE. BUT IN THIS CASE, I MEAN, AS AN EXAMPLE, THIS WEEKEND THOSE KH-22 MISSILES THAT FRED WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT, INDICATORS.
ARE THERE IS ABOUT 50 OF THEM AS PART OF THEIR BLACK SEA FLEET THAT RUSSIA CAN FIRE. THEY ALLEGEDLY FIRED ABOUT 14 THIS WEEKEND. SO YOU STILL HAVE ALMOST THREE QUARTERS OF THE ONES LEFT ON SHIPS AND SUBMARINES IN THE BLACK SEA AS WELL AS COMING BY.
AIR. SO, IT IS GOING TO CONTINUE. BUT WHAT HAS HAPPEN TO HAPPEN WITH UKRAINE IS THEY HAVE TO GET AN IMPROVEMENT IN THEIR MANEUVER FORCE TO CONTINUE TO CONDUCT ATTACKS AND OFFENSIVES AGAINST THE RUSSIANS MILITARY AND CONTINUE TO DRIVE THEM OUT OF.
THE COUNTRY. THAT IS WHAT YOU SEE. IT IS SOMEWHAT OF A STALEMATE BETWEEN TYPES OF STRATEGIES. BUT I BELIEVE THAT UKRAINE WILL HAVE THE POWER TO CONTINUE THEIR COUNTER OFFENSES. >> THANK YOU FOR COMING IN, GENERAL.
GABRIELLE US IS THE FOREIGN MINISTER OF LITHUANIA. HE JOINS ME NOW FROM THE WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM. I WILL ASK YOU TO GIVE US A SENSE OF WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WILL BE ADDRESSING THE AUDIENCE THERE WITH WHAT YOUR MESSAGE IS LIKELY TO BE AT THIS STAGE.
DO YOU BELIEVE SOME COUNTRIES ARE TRYING TO STALL SENDING WEAPONS TO UKRAINE? IF SO, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? >> FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THAT WE CAN CLEARLY SEE THAT THE EVENTS IN UKRAINE, THE MOST HORRIBLE EVENTS MAKE US SEND THE WEAPONS THAT UKRAINIANS.
NEED. AT FIRST IT WAS AN ATTACK ON KYIV, THEN IT WAS 20 PUTIN. THEN OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THE ATTACK ON DNIPRO. NOW THE DEBATE ABOUT THE TANKS IS FINALLY GETTING SOME FUEL. I DON'T THINK THAT IS THE RIGHT ATTITUDE, HONESTLY.
I DON'T THINK THAT UKRAINIAN CIVILIANS SHOULD BE PAYING WITH THEIR LIVES IN ORDER TO GET THE WEAPONS THAT THEY NEED. I THINK WE HAVE TO BE WAY MORE SERIOUS ABOUT HOW DO WE SEE THIS WAR ENDING. IT HAS TO END IN UKRAINE, BY UKRAINIANS WINNING THE.
TERRITORY, SO THAT NOW THEY ARE NOT UNDER RUSSIAN OCCUPATION. FOR THAT, MOST OF ALL THEY NEED WEAPONRY. ALL KINDS OF WEAPONRY. FIRST AND FOREMOST, IT IS TANKS, MAIN BATTLE TANKS. GERMANY HAS THEM, UNITED STATES HAS THEM AND ALSO LONG-RANGE.
ROCKETS THAT WILL BE USED IN ORDER TO PUSH RUSSIAN TROOPS OUT OUT OF THE OCCUPIED TERRITORIES. >> YOU TALKED TO ENOUGH OF YOUR COLLEAGUES AROUND EUROPE TO KNOW WHAT THE CURRENT THINKING IS. DO YOU BELIEVE WE ARE ENTERING.
A NEW PHASE IN THIS WAR? DO OTHERS IN EUROPE AGREE? AND IF SO, DO YOU BELIEVE THE UKRAINIANS WILL GET WHAT THEY WANT AT THIS POINT? I KNOW YOU ARE SUGGESTING THEY SHOULD, BUT WHAT ARE THEY LIKELY TO GET? AND WHAT IS HOLDING OFF THE.
DELIVERY OF FURTHER MILITARY AID? >> WELL, I THINK THAT BASICALLY THE DISCUSSION IN THE WEST IS STILL ABOUT THE END OF THE WAR AND THERE ARE THOSE WHO BELIEVE THAT MAYBE A FROZEN CONFLICT WOULD BE SUITED BETTER, WHICH I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH THAT.
NOTION, BUT THIS NOTION, THIS THINKING IS I THINK THE MAIN OBSTACLE FOR SOME COUNTRIES TO SEND THE WEAPONS THAT UKRAINIANS NEED. INDEED, IT TOOK A VERY LONG TIME, ALMOST A YEAR NOW TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE ACTUALLY ARE DISCUSSING SENDING TANKS.
HONESTLY, I WOULD NOT BE EXTREMELY SURPRISED IF THE TANKER DEBATE WOULD BE PRODUCTIVE IN THE SENSE THAT THE UKRAINIANS WOULD GET THEIR HANDS ON THE TANKS. I THINK THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY COUNTRY THAT IS SUPPORTING UKRAINE WOULD GET TO.
THE POINT AND AGREE ON THE FINAL POINTS TO HOW THIS WAR SHOULD END. WE ONLY TO AGREE ON THE FACT THAT UKRAINE NEEDS TO WIN THE WAR, NEEDS TO GET RUSSIA OUT OF ITS TERRITORY IF WE WANT THE EUROPEAN CONTINENT TO BE SAFE AGAIN.
AND IF WE WANT THE GLOBAL SECURITY ORDER TO GET BACK INTO WHAT IT WAS BEFORE AND, FOR THAT, RUSSIA NEEDS TO LOSE. FOR THAT, WE HAVE TO IMAGINE AND UNDERSTAND THAT UKRAINE IS ACTUALLY STILL FIGHTING AGAINST A SUPERIOR FORCE. THEREFORE, THERE IS NO WAY WE.
CAN LEAVE THEM WITH WHERE THEY ARE NOW AND WITH THE WEAPONS THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE. >> THE POLISH PRIME MINISTER TODAY CALLING ON THE GERMANS TO DO MORE. AND I'M QUOTING HERE, TO SUPPLY ALL SORTS OF WEAPONS TO UKRAINE.
DO YOU BELIEVE THE GERMANS SHOULD BE DOING MORE? >> HONESTLY, YES. I CONCUR THAT THERE ARE MACHINERY, THERE ARE WEAPONS THAT INDUSTRIAL WESTERN POWERS, SUCH AS GERMANY, FRANCE AND OTHERS CAN STILL DELIVER TO UKRAINE.
THERE'S ALSO A SECOND THING IN THIS STORY. IT'S THAT A LOT OF COUNTRIES HAVE ALREADY PROCURED GERMAN MADE TANKS. AMONG THOSE IS FINLAND AND SOME OTHER NORDIC COUNTRIES, SOUTH EUROPEAN COUNTRIES. THEY ARE WILLING TO SEND THE.
TANKS TO UKRAINE. SO FAR, THEY HAVE NOT GOTTEN A GREENLIGHT FROM BERLIN. I TRULY, TRULY HOPE THAT THIS MIGHT CHANGE AS WELL. THAT WOULD PUT THE PRESSURE ON GERMANY ITSELF, MEANING THAT MAYBE THEY CANNOT SEND ALL THE TANKS THAT UKRAINE NEEDS.
CURRENTLY, BUT WITH PARTNERS THAT HAVE GERMAN TANKS, IT WOULD BE A SUBSTANTIAL HELP TO UKRAINE.
Seems extremely now not likely that the Russian Federation would fire a missile of this kind at a residential constructing, there would possibly perhaps be basically nothing to be won for them in intentionally doing this. A missile of that size (price) would possibly perhaps be inclined against a strategic target, especially if there are shrimp numbers of them. The intial statements coming out of Kiev had been that Ukrainian air defence missiles knocked the Russian missile from it's trajectory. This modified into as soon as later refuted. Whatever the truth is took space, the ‘s tragic. What’s the response? Ship extra weapons to Ukraine for sure. Clearly now not ample slow folks or destruction yet.
Ukraine as an enviornment for a U.S. proxy war in Europe had been deliberate prolonged within the past.
Give Ukraine the general weapons that they want to defeat the Russian invasion and occupation. Ship them every thing. Germany break dragging your toes and purposely slowing weapon shipments. Cease inflicting a stalemate and manufacture it conceivable for Ukraine to buy. Ukrainian blood is on the hands of worldwide locations stalling weapon shipments and this would possibly perhaps now not be forgotten.